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Mikhail F. Bagaturov



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MessageSujet: need advice on laotriton   Ven 30 Avr 2010, 15:17

Recently we got a pair of laotriton and i kindly ask your advices and assitance into settle it and accomodate in captivity.
It's adult pair and looks not very good (compairing our P. guangxiensis), not very much fed before but in average not bad condition.
They are now in the clean aqarium without substratum in water level around 10-12 cm. I fed them couple of times with earthworms but they seems like not like them very much. What else is a good food for them?
Do you advice to keep them for some time like this (and if so, for how long itme) or shall i make them constant aquarium with substratum and plants?
Please, advice!
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Ven 30 Avr 2010, 22:23

Look here :

http://www.ag-urodela.de/daten_arten/paramesotriton/laoensis/paramesotriton_laoensis-text.htm


Raise the level of water --> 40cm.
Plants : Cryptocoryne, Anubias, Vesicularia.
They need to hide a lot.
20°.
Put a filter to create stream.
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Dim 02 Mai 2010, 06:23

Hello tritonman!
thanks for the link. i read the article, part 2 as well and some other materials too.
I put the aquarium pump today so the oxigen level is up.. and add some guppy fishes. we'll see will they eate them or not.
temperature is 19-20 C. A bit raise of water.
Do you suggest put them into constant tank with plants, substratum etc?
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Dim 02 Mai 2010, 20:40

I suggest you to give me your animals love4 ...

These animals are very interested, I have one juvenile and one larvae.

melts of gravel, plants with broad sheet for the the laying and if you have other question you can ask!

Good Luke for the breeding,
I 'll be there if you need!
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Mar 04 Mai 2010, 13:01

Hi tritonman!

I do not accept your suggestion Smile I myself found them very interesting and beautiful.
I rehoused them into 120 l tank with gravel, an air pump and filter which gave a good stream and they looks very happy Smile
Just need to put some aquatic plants except javan moss i placed in. I also manage to make a hiding place on the bottom made of rocks and they do utilize it readily.
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Mar 04 Mai 2010, 20:53

Each animal must find his place as all Paramesotriton. Plants with broad sheets it's for reproduction, It's not an obligation.
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Jeu 06 Mai 2010, 14:37

Hello!

You seem like not right there...
Unlike all other Paramesotriton spp, these are quite tolerant to each other and do not show nay agression. And mine do utilize the hide together without any problems.
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Jeu 06 Mai 2010, 21:53

It's very difficult to maintain many pairs together, males are very aggressive. tell me your experience with Paramesotriton, because I maintained P.chinensis, hongkongensis. I didn't see pairs of caudopunctatus and guanxiensis in captivity ( I have many larvae). If you have some advice to give me!
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Lun 10 Mai 2010, 10:51

Hello dear tritonman!

I do not have experience with keeping Parames in groups of several pairs, but to keep them in male+ several females is seem like not a problem.
I can tell that guangxiensis male readily strike females in the enclosure but there were no any harm to them for 1 year i keep them now.
I also have maintain 3 females hk newts without males (hope i will got couple of males this year) and they do live in peace.
As for the lao's a pair live peacefully as i may see it and according to different source they even do not have show any aggression males to males (if i understand it right).
BTW. In Vietnam i have found guangxiensis in groups in streams.
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Sam 15 Mai 2010, 09:28

I had 2 males and 3 female results a dead male (Phk)… It's the territorial males. For laoensis, I never saw several couples! Necture49 was to see guanxiensis in nature!

http://urodeles.forumpro.fr/Herping-paramesotriton-arnaud-h167.htm
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MessageSujet: Re: need advice on laotriton   Lun 07 Juin 2010, 07:00

Hello Tritonman!

While i was back from VietNam with P. guangxiensis i kept two separate groups - males and females. See no agression aming any of the group, but tanks was big - 120 cm long.
And i was found them in nature of this i was posted a thread into caudata.org forum with some observations and coparisons with Tam Dao specimesn of P. deloustale.
I can tell now that in fact many of the so-called P. deloustale in captivity is in fact P. guangxiensis, as P. deloustale has smouth skin (other point is in its locality two species lives simpatrically and i have the other one).
See thread for some biotope pictures and in sity photos, also comparison pictures with specimens from Tam Dao: http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-advanced-newt-salamander-topics/f30-species-genus-family-discussions/f45-warty-newts-paramesotriton-laotriton-paddletail-newts-pachytriton/64258-paramesotriton-sp-n-viet-nam.html
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